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Migrants are good for the economy. Get it Denmark!

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Fact: Foreigners are good for your economy 

As many other liberals and humanists I am sad about the last decade’s growing negativity towards foreigners in my country.

All over Europe right wing parties are voted into parliament, often to fight “foreigners from taking our jobs and benefits”. Here’s some facts which proves exactly the opposite:

Ian Goldwin from Oxford University has researched how much of the American economy is build by migrants. Read it and weep Europe: 

More than half of Silicon Valley Startups are started by migrants. 

- Migrants outnumber native-born americans 3 to 1 in Nobel Prize winnersand Academy Award winners

- Migrants account for two thirds of the US engineering workforce. And more than 50% of engineering/ science doctorates.

- Inventors of international patent applications from the us are 40% migrant (72% at Qualcomm)

Google, Intel, PayPal, eBay and Yahoo are started by migrants.

I quote “Short-sighted policies to curtail immigration backfire and lead to slower growth and higher unemployment” Amen!

But what do we do here in Denmark? The opposite! 

Totally contrary to this, is how we in treat people here. The principal of Copenhagen University is quoting a survey in a national paper* today saying that 25% of international students in Denmark feel downright ”isolated”

Only 1 in 3 foreign students manage to get a job after graduating from our universities, so we manage to attract the talent, we just show them the door afterwards! So it is the fault of employers not the universities. (come to the startup scene, we hire on merit, not origin)

According to DI** we’re going to be short of 30,000 highly educated workers in 2030. Hmm. Quote again, this time from Shakespeare. “There’s something rotten in the state of Denmark”

Tine Thygesen
Danish Entrepreneur (half my company are not natively danish, they are hired because they are the best at what they do, as I dont care where people are from) 

Sources:
* Berlingske 
** Danish industry association
Wired Magazine 

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Tine Thygesen:
Only 1 in 3 foreign students manage to get a job after graduating from our universities, so we manage to attract the talent, we just show them the door afterwards! So it is the fault of employers not the universities. (come to the startup scene, we hire on merit, not origin)

Please try and look for other reasons than plain discrimination. Why not automatically assume that businesses do the same as You - pick the best for the job? Why assume the worst?

I find it kind of contradictionary if You actually suggest that we hire migrants over natives, and not the other way around, if that is what You propose business to do with the impressive immigrant-statistics in mind.

Denmark is not an migrant-unfriendly racist son-of-a-bitch-country. Denmark is actually pretty good, and attract many highly skilled migrants.

Some migrants feel isolated, tough luck. They should try harder og pick another country. I suppose we are talking about highly skilled people who could pretty much cherrypick the most desirable country of their liking.

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Fra  John Hannover Skrevet kl. 20:35
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I am pretty sure the wast majority of all companies hire based on merit and not origin. I am not sure have the statistic is for Danes coming out of university, surely not all get a job day one. It will probably depend on the kind of education and the need for those skills out on the job-marked.

You cannot just talk about migrants and totally see them as one very uniform group which can help us as a country. I know that there are people from in fact both sides - left or right - who has a very negative view on migrants - but I do not think they talk about those who are here, in a job, or on the university. Negativeness may spill over on those groups as well, and that is not at all fair, but in general, we engage the best applicants for jobs - based on merit I am pretty sure.

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Jørgen Olsen:
Denmark is not an migrant-unfriendly racist son-of-a-bitch-country.

Yes it is, more than every 10th person proclaimed to be native danish, agree to limit or deport migrants with muslim background. Even though statistics shows that 3rd generation and forward will be the ones maintaining the danish society in general.

If all migrants stopped working here for 2 weeks, Denmark would collaps, but noone realises that, they just want them out.

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well 10% is not a majority anyway but a very large minority and that does not make me racistic og my country for that matter - but where do you have that statistic from?

Is it all muslims the +10% wants out - or just the very fundamentalistic minority of them? (the group which even Villy boy Søvndahl could want out)

Having the faith in Allah does not make them fundamentalistic of course

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Entrepreneur - Jan:
Yes it is, more than every 10th person proclaimed to be native danish, agree to limit or deport migrants with muslim background. Even though statistics shows that 3rd generation and forward will be the ones maintaining the danish society in general.

I will not even bother to ask for a source, because i find this information trustworthy and realistic, - not the least shocking or provocative.

But come on - every 10th. Every 10th is not the voice of Denmark. The remaining 90% is.

I suppose every 10th would also support death penalty, and every 10th doesn't understand what that "free-speech-buzz is all about".

But i'll give You that that 10% that actually are haters, they make a lot of noise for a 10%-crowd. And I am happy they do.

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well 10% is not a majority anyway but a very large minority and that does not make me racistic og my country for that matter - but where do you have that statistic from?

Is it all muslims the +10% wants out - or just the very fundamentalistic minority of them? (the group which even Villy boy Søvndahl could want out)

Having the faith in Allah does not make them fundamentalistic of course

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Those +10% has been running Danish Parlament for a decade in the name of Dansk Folkeparti, and there is absolutely no question about their agenda, as they do not destinguish in between the strengt of the faith, but attack the faith claiming that Sharia is followed by all muslims.

If you, Cookie, vote for Dansk Folkeparti, then you are in my opinion accepting their policy and agenda and therefore a part of the +10% I see as citizens having racist opinions.

In percentage of habitants, the migrants are well represented in universities, and are by far taking education more sericous than native danes.

Noone can deny, that the general opinion against muslims is a realty because of Dansk Folkepartis hate against this religion, and a minority of inmates in prisions for criminal acts. I have not yet met 1 danish person who can explain their hate to muslims as persons, not one. It all comes down to the degrading human marketing made by Dansk Folkeparti or members of that party.

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Jørgen Olsen:
But come on - every 10th. Every 10th is not the voice of Denmark. The remaining 90% is.

Not in the last decade - Dansk Folkeparti has been running the show. This party has had their imprint on the official opinion together with others, but they are the reason for this development.

Its like (and don+t get this wrong) like the jewish people. Their actions are the center of the world instability whether we like it or not, and how many are they totally in the world?

So majority never wins - Israel is a prove of that.

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Fra  John Hannover Skrevet kl. 21:56
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Entrepreneur - Jan:
Those +10% has been running Danish Parlament for a decade in the name of Dansk Folkeparti, and there is absolutely no question about their agenda, as they do not destinguish in between the strengt of the faith, but attack the faith claiming that Sharia is followed by all muslims
You are of course entitled to your opinion -  I would say it is a bit of blind hate - I did not vote Dansk Folkeparti, but fully respect people who do - for various reasons - fear of muslims or against EU or for many other reasons, and to say that they have been running the country is at least overestimating them, and finding the rest of the government totally without influence. There are people who are filled with racism no doubt but I think you have taken a very one eyed point of view. My point of view on Muslims are not at all under influence from dansk folkeparti - I respect the majority of them but of course also disrespect people if they are very fundamentalistic - supporting stoning of people - or against womans rights.

I have traveled a lot in Muslim countries like Turkey and Bangladesh - and in general find must Muslims very nice people.

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Entrepreneur - Jan:
Those +10% has been running Danish Parlament for a decade in the name of Dansk Folkeparti, and there is absolutely no question about their agenda, as they do not destinguish in between the strengt of the faith, but attack the faith claiming that Sharia is followed by all muslims
You are of course entitled to your opinion -  I would say it is a bit of blind hate - I did not vote Dansk Folkeparti, but fully respect people who do - for various reasons - fear of muslims or against EU or for many other reasons, and to say that they have been running the country is at least overestimating them, and finding the rest of the government totally without influence. There are people who are filled with racism no doubt but I think you have taken a very one eyed point of view. My point of view on Muslims are not at all under influence from dansk folkeparti - I respect the majority of them but of course also disrespect people if they are very fundamentalistic - supporting stoning of people - or against womans rights.

I have traveled a lot in Muslim countries like Turkey and Bangladesh - and in general find must Muslims very nice people.

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Just to let all know, I am not a blind hater :) if I hate, I do it for a reason - always.

I do not have much respect for voters of Dansk Folkeparti, I am not afraid to admit that, but I on the same hand do not have much respect for the voters of Enhedslisten, but nevertheless people are entitlede to use their democratic rights to vote for who they want.

Actually I do not respect people who are in general against EU or general against Sharia. The reason for this is not because I agree or disagree to either of them, but because I find that the opinions in general are made up by the political agenda, and not based on knowledge or scientific evidence, and therefore based upon popularity and not facts.

In my point of view, that means, that Denmark and its political scene has been run by minority and not by majority, and we see the same now.

The way the political scene is developing will definately push the intelligent leaders away, and politcal future seems like a reality show driven by alliances rather than on facts and truth.

Some danish people are somehow stupid. They believe in all the politicians say in general, and it has now been proven, that some are liars, and not true to the cause. If they really were true to the cause, then they would step back and have another election, but no...they rather stay and try to find a way around the political circus with misleading intent on the agenda.

One thing most politicians who are afraid of Islam, still don´t understand is, that it is only a very little percentage of muslims living by Sharia, like there are only few real radical jews, but on both sides they make too much noise and is the reason for the worlds bad standing today, in general terms.

So back to topic, is Denmark welcoming migrants in general? NO Denmark is not.

There are so many rules and restrictions based on fear, hate and regulation - that no ordinary well informed person freely would appreciate staying here for longer than their tax benefits want them to.

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